My father was an inorganic chemist for the aerospace industry, and my mother was both a teacher and a registered nurse (a good thing when I developed diabetes at 4 years old). My dad was a walking calculator, encyclopedia, and so much more. An intellectual monolith. Mom, who had never done so before, rebuilt an inline 6-cylinder Jaguar engine, using nothing but hand tools and the rebuild manual, on blankets and throw rugs on our living room floor! Amazing, both of them. So as my brainiac father laid out his understanding of the world around us, as any good father does, he made it clear that religion was mythical, like the Easter bunny, but that we had science to really know what's going on. As a high-IQ kid, I aced all that school put before me, and I was a real believer in the Darwinian theorems by the time I was a late teenager. I used to love to have theological debates with the door-knockers, because with each new successful destruction of belief I had more and more confidence that I was onto the truth. After all, all shredding of other's beliefs aside, I really wanted at the truth.
Then I started to realize that evolution had problems. I'll discuss that in a moment. But first, let me say that the problems were fundamental enough to cause me to believe that either evolution needs serious rethinking, or needs to be tossed out. OK. There are a few things that made me change my faith in the Darwinian model of evolution. Things like the eye, that only works once it's complete - how does evolution explain the "design" of the eye? All during the "design" era, allegedly millions of years (I'll discuss that in another blog), nothing works. Why does it continue? And if we believe the model, then there should be a constant stream of variant fossils, not large gaps between "design" stages. Instead of seeing mostly fossils of a creature developing an appendage, as an example, we see sharp defined lines between where an animal has or has not any given feature. It should be a blur, similar to video film. A constant stream, with slow change. Too often that's not the case. And there are others. But the real clincher was when I learned of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, a law of physics. I never took physics in college, so I learn these things and others outside of school on my own time.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that everything in our closed system universe is in a constant state of decline, or "entropy". Spin a top, it winds down. Throw a ball, it comes to rest. Heat something up, it cools down. And along these principles, things become less complicated, not more complicated, over time. The only known exception to this law of the physical universe is when an intelligent will applies energy in direct opposition the the effects of the law. Huh? In other words, if a hurricane were to blow through an automobile junkyard, it is inconceivable, no matter how many times or chances given, that it will ever produce a working automobile. This is the effect of chaos, or randomness. But if a man (an intelligent will) were to go to work on a car in that yard (applying energy in opposition to the declining property of the law), it is quite conceivable that a working, or progressive (as opposed to regressive) car would emerge. Life evolves, apparently unguided, in a progressive manner. Life forms become more complicated. By my understanding of the physical laws of our universe, that requires an intelligent will in order to occur - a "God", or Gods. This is the basic standing of the Theist. He/she believes that something supernatural would be required for things to exist as we see them today. A monumental revelation in my life, to realize that things only evolve progressively, as life does, when an intelligent will intervenes. The atheist will believe that over millions or billions of years, such a thing could happen by random chance. I still respect that position, but I do not currently subscribe to it.
This is a small sampling; my road to where I sit today is more complicated than merely this. But I wanted to present the scientific logic behind the theistic point of view, as Gods are often thought of as purely mythical and utterly impossible, when in fact they're scientifically "more likely than not". imho. Comment away; I enjoy feedback. I'll address the respectful ones, opposing me or otherwise. I've changed my mind before - challenge me! And until next time, be well. Come back for more.
John
just read your blog and it has got me thinking even more than usual. i am an atheist, but i am really interested in religion as it still has a lot to teach us. i follow the ten commandments as they are something that should be followed by everybody, there is to much chaos in the world today. i am always learning new things, from new people, from different backrounds because i believe........ knowledge is power, guard it well. i really enjoyed reading your blog and can't wait to read more.
ReplyDeletemy blog is about how the (british) government and police force are corrupted. take a look if u want.
www.itstimetorise.blogspot.com
I have to say this blog is definately going to be the most inclined to push my critical thinking skills. However, I enjoy reading it for the enigma it is, and the challenge it portrays for me to examine and reexamine my own views.
ReplyDeleteThough you probably are aware of this, I would like to put in that though a majority of the more vocal atheists support evolution, not all do; it is simply science's best running theory so far, and we are content to keep searching for the answers.
Overall another good blog, will be waiting to read more.
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ReplyDeleteI thank you for reading my blog. I will read yours as well, in a short time. If you read my first blog here, you know I'm going blind from blood filling up in my eyes. I'm currently struggling with these effects, which come and go, and these two comments tonight will be all that I can do for now. Please forgive my tardiness.
You are sooo correct; knowledge IS power, of the highest order. I hope I can continue to gather your interest, as there are things that I would like to share before I lose all sight completely, silencing me forever. I have no children (on purpose), and no one to appreciate what I've gleaned from life. Be well.
John
Texas Atheist Teen:
ReplyDeletehahaha! I hate to disappoint ya, but I'm not sure I'll end up the "enigma" you suggest that I am; but I take it as flattery - thank you. I've been told I see things from peculiar angles; OK, I'll buy that.
I'm glad that I encourage your wearing of the thinking cap. I used to be an adult literacy teacher, as a volunteer, in my spare time. I LOVE it when people think-tank together, and love that feeling when you help turn on a light bulb in someone's mind. I'll never claim to know everything or anything really, but I hope to help others like yourself to see new possibilities, and in the process encourage your mind's own natural growth. You will take what I share with you to the next level, where I leave off. It becomes your responsibility to keep the fire going.
I especially respect true science because it should have no preconceived notions, and admits when it's wrong and publicly publishes the new thinking. Something that orthodox religions as a general rule do not adhere to. In the early 1800's, "scientists" thought that the human body couldn't withstand speeds over 35 MPH, and that the coast-to-coast railroad cars would become rolling coffins! But science marches on. I respect that it does so. Not all atheists subscribe to Darwinian evolution. And for the record, I am certain that adaptation occurs. I simply question where the motivation comes from. This does not confirm my beliefs. I don't think anyone's beliefs of this nature are truly provable (making me a bit of an agnostic, right?). I'll be back soon, once I can see a lil better. Take care, and challenge everything!
John
wow! I love reading how everybody views the world, because it's always so different.
ReplyDeleteWhat you're saying makes a lot of sense to me. I'm not Atheist, but any sense of Atheism that was in me is long gone now.
Now, I was just wondering. I do believe in Gods and Goddesses, I wanted to know about how you said that scientifically, "they're more likely than not". Why are they more likely to exist than not??
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ReplyDeleteMy answer will be short - I'm currently barely able to see. I suggest that God(s) is/are more likely than not because the second law of thermodynamics requires some form of intelligence to direct energy in opposition to the law in order for us to see things, such as and in particular life, to become more complex over time, if indeed life forms are doing so (and most empirical evidence suggests life indeed does so). Life itself contradicts a known law, unless you apply the only (as of yet) known exception to the law. By the random rolling of dice, things do not become more complex over the long haul without intervention, according to the current scientific thinking, as I understand it. I could be wrong. But if I understand correctly, then science itself predicts the existence of a God or Gods. I'm gonna really hear it about this theory; I'm well aware.
I do not wish to reduce your appreciation for atheism, but rather to show the many other real possibilities, visions and interpretations, while also explaining where I am and how I got here. Atheism has some really strong arguments, and has the advantage of using science (literally, "knowledge") as it's foundation. Pretty hard to argue fact, other than that facts are constantly re-evaluated, and are somewhat frequently modified or corrected. Kudos, however, to ANYONE who's willing to correct their theory in light of enhanced data, Be well, and thanks for the comments.
John
Yes that's right.
ReplyDeleteHaha, I now realize that you already said that in your post. Just not in that way.
And, don't worry, you didn't reduce my appreciation for Atheism.
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ReplyDeleteExcellent! When we keep old doors open as we look through new ones, we expand the mind, instead of just pushing it around from room to room. Glad to see your intellectual hunger - it is appealing.
When I was a child, my parents made me repeat things back to them, in my own words, so that they knew that I understood. I can and will patiently restate things in many ways until the idea solidifies. I want others to understand, and cannot guess what works for each person. I will simply keep trying.
John
Just a quick thought on your idea about evolutionary theory contradicting the Second Law of Thermodynamics: focusing on life in general as a single force (like a spinning top) is too encompassing. Rather, each individual life would be the equivalent of the spinning top, eventually winding down. As an organism processes fuel for food, and eventually "burns out" and dies, it passes its genetic code onto its offspring, which in turn becomes like another spinning top. Therefore, there is no contradiction to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It is the mutation of genetic code that would lead to evolution, positive mutations surviving and negative mutations dying off (survival of the fittest). For the record, I am a theist, but don't believe science will ever be able to prove or disprove a deity. By definition, God is supernatural.
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ReplyDeleteFirst, let me thank you for both reading my blog and for your challenging response. Anytime I have to walk away from something in order to contemplate the subject more thoroughly, you know that it was a good response. While realizing that I'm but a simple man, I shall try to engage this position of yours.
Continuing with the analogy of the top for the moment, I suggest that if a top were winding down and attempted to pass it's rotary energy to another object, that the inertia of the second object would dissipate much of the energy required for stability simply to get it spinning up to speed. Also, the first top cannot pass more energy than it possesses; if it was winding down, the best the second top could hope for is less than what the first top had. This eventually leads to total loss of energy, as each time energy is passed, some is lost. This is consistent with the Second Law.
Stepping away from the analogy, if a creature were to pass genetic instructions to another creature, with evolutionary instructions contained within, the data can never include more information than the original source. If it does, it either gained this extra data from an external source, or the creature is capable of controlling evolution, which makes it God by default. Another possibility of passing data that was not in the original copy is that of degraded data, which is not evolution, but rather de-evolution. Otherwise, with no intervention, data over time degrades, is lost, and/or becomes corrupted. At best it remains unchanged. To advance in intellect requires outside stimulus. Why does the body evolve the eye, when short of completion, the organ can do nothing? What vision or intelligence does evolution possess to keep working at something that demonstrates no advantage, until millions of years have passed? And who or what do we attribute the intelligence to? Or could it truly be random? My understanding of chaos would not support such ideas, but I await further responses.
I look forward to your response, as you've got me thinking now. Love it! Never give me the benefit of the doubt; challenge my every word. I want you to.
John